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JWR1945
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Not Enough Censorship Reply with quote

There is one area in which Hocus and I disagree. I favor censorship on discussion boards. Hocus is willing to tolerate almost anything. I prefer heavy censorship.

In spite of what you have read, Hocus has removed only one or two posts from this board. He has relocated a few posts, but very few.

I would prefer to remove Ataloss posts with their continual baiting, misrepresentations and distortions of facts. I would prefer to remove Beachbumz recent posts, which are no more than word games and stink bombs. I would prefer to remove Norbert Schlenker's posts in which he pushes a poorly thought out agenda while refusing to listen to what others have to say.

In spite of what you may have read, it is Hocus who allows a variety of thought, not the complainers such as Ataloss, Beachbumz and Norbert Schlenker. Regardless of what these people may assert, it is Hocus who talks straight. It is Hocus who accurately describes what has happened in the past.

Have fun.

John R.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: In an ideal world Reply with quote

I would prefer the long and short of it. Wherein the setup and run - including those 'long boring pointless' strings of numbers are posted. The abstract and conclusions can be put in another place where debate and the inevitible 'the world is flat' type statements can reside.

Long, long ago when I made beautiful quarterly presentations - there used to be this old NASA phart(Doc. S). "That's nice - but I want to see your data." Being a lab rat like myself - he actually came and looked thru the raw test sheets.

To repeat - since I have no financial planner or guru or leader - show me the data.

Being blockheaded - I'll make up my own mind.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JWR1945 wrote:
Not Enough Censorship

There is one area in which Hocus and I disagree. I favor censorship on discussion boards. Hocus is willing to tolerate almost anything. I prefer heavy censorship.

In spite of what you have read, Hocus has removed only one or two posts from this board. He has relocated a few posts, but very few.

I would prefer to remove Ataloss posts with their continual baiting, misrepresentations and distortions of facts. I would prefer to remove Beachbumz recent posts, which are no more than word games and stink bombs. I would prefer to remove Norbert Schlenker's posts in which he pushes a poorly thought out agenda while refusing to listen to what others have to say.

In spite of what you may have read, it is Hocus who allows a variety of thought, not the complainers such as Ataloss, Beachbumz and Norbert Schlenker. Regardless of what these people may assert, it is Hocus who talks straight. It is Hocus who accurately describes what has happened in the past.

Have fun.

John R.

Well, now, there's one thing WE agree on! I understand now why Raddr banned both of you at the start. Please show me one time where I used 'word games'. Show me one time where I posted an inaccurate statement (or Norbert)! I don't mean one in which I challenge hocus' changing of definitions. You will notice in my posts that I wanted you to be able to continue your 'research' here, even if I don't agree with all of it. The problem is when anyone challenges hocus' or you with facts, you both go nuts! The only complainers here are YOU and hocus! I have read posts that theorize that YOU AND HOCUS are the same person...hmmmmm

Beachbumz



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JWR1945 wrote:
I would prefer to remove X, Y, Z posts because ...

Translation: I am unable to respond to criticism of my methodological errors so I will try to garner sympathy by pretending that the criticism is of me instead.

unclemick wrote:
I would prefer the long and short of it. Wherein the setup and run - including those 'long boring pointless' strings of numbers are posted. The abstract and conclusions can be put in another place where debate and the inevitible 'the world is flat' type statements can reside.


Conclusions should be backed up with data and the data should be available for inspection. Anyone capable and interested should be looking hard at the numbers. There are two dangers there, first for much of the audience, for whom tables of numbers cause instant MEGO. The second, which applies here in spades from what I have tried to wade through, is GIGO, which an old NASA hand should be intimately familiar with.

In the small piece that I have been able to read of what has been posted here, it seems to me that there has been a two step process whereby raw data has been distilled into formulae - where examination of the data and methodology is absolutely critical - and then the formulae have been used to generate projections. All the recently posted tables of numbers are from the second process and they are at best misleading and at worse complete nonsense if the formulae themselves are suspect.

But criticism of the formulae themselves and how they were derived is sacrilege here. The formulae apparently have the status of tablets handed down from on high to A Person Who Has Absolute Authority To Set The Terms Of The Debate Here. Asking for documentation of statistical validity or a pointer to a past demonstration of such is heresy and is either ignored or edited out of the record without trace.

A lab rat should be able to see instantly which of the two contending camps can't bear to have a little light shone on their work.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand by my original post.

Not only that: it's my world that's round - all others are flat - and there is way more than two of them.

Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JWR1945 wrote:
Not Enough Censorship

There is one area in which Hocus and I disagree. I favor censorship on discussion boards. Hocus is willing to tolerate almost anything. I prefer heavy censorship.John R.

I agree completely. Without censorship, Gresham's Law takes over, and careful reasoned, polite discourse is driven out by bombast, over-simplification, and hostility.

Anonymity on these boards allows small minded cowards to take shots at their betters; and where else can that happen?

Mac


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ataloss
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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agree completely. Without censorship, Gresham's Law takes over, and careful reasoned, polite discourse is driven out by bombast, over-simplification, and hostility.

Anonymity on these boards allows small minded cowards to take shots at their betters; and where else can that happen?

Mac

good post hocus, lol

you have your wish you have destroyed the nfb



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