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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:23 am    Post subject: The post jwr1945 doesn't want you to see Reply with quote

a rambling rob bennett post that I copied (in its entirety) yesterday from tmf. sample:
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My usual practice has been to refer to the factors focused on in the conventional methodology SWR studies as "volatility" and to refer to the factor not given adequate consideration as "valuation." I have never been happy with these terms. I have been tempted at times to use the terms used by William Bernstein in Chapter Two of ?The Four Pillars of Investing?; he uses "risk" for the factors focused on in the conventional methodology studies, and "return" for the factor that I have been stressing.


here is a link for those who have tmf access
http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=20622477

My reason for posting it (and I think jwr's reson for asking ES to have it removed) is that it was posted using the same account as this:
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The really funny thing was that there was this fellow SalaryGuru who tore all of the hoco-logic into tiny little bits. And hocus didn't have the excuse of claiming that there was disruption or deception or ridicule or personal attack on the thread. Dory36 made it clear early on that he wasn't going to stand for any of that stuff when he deleted one post that clearly went over the line. So even hocus had no choice in the end but to walk away like a dog with a tail between his legs. I got another good laugh out of that one!


http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=20617175

clearly hocus/rob bennett isn't dumb. why he derives enjoyment from being a troll and trying to get people to acknowledge his "insights" is a mystery to me. Apparently he is amused by trying to lead people into some strange swr ideas and then arguing with them. The bigger mystery to me is jwr1945 who seems like a sincere person who really means what he says- until it comes to swr and rob bennett. I am not sure if he is a co-troll or just duped.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lifted this from a hocus post at early-retirement.org
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I developed the data-based SWR tool in early 1996 and have been using it and refining it ever since. I did not do any formal statistical testing of the concept in the mid-90s. JWR1945 has helped me with the statistical analysis with the work he has done during the two years of the Great SWR Debate, particularly with the work he has put forward at the SWR Research Group board at NoFeeBoards.com.


pretty amusing really. "data based" but he has no data. leaving that to his assistant to cook up after the fact Laughing



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Re: The post jwr1945 doesn't want you to see Reply with quote

ataloss wrote:

clearly hocus/rob bennett isn't dumb. why he derives enjoyment from being a troll and trying to get people to acknowledge his "insights" is a mystery to me.


Hocus' behavior is not aimed at honestly debating the issues at hand. It is all about being the center of attention. This is classic troll psychology.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: The post jwr1945 doesn't want you to see Reply with quote

Hi Ataloss,

I cannot make out what his behaviour is all about. I tried to read some of the post but just got too bored to continue. Whilst I don't always agree with the comments in posts here and others disagree with me, I mostly find posts interesting enough to join the discussion. I don't get that feeling with hocus's posts at the present time.

I don't think John is hocus at all. He has been posting for too long when hocus wasn't a problem at nofees and he has a grasp of numbers that hocus plainly never possessed.

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ataloss wrote:
a rambling rob bennett post that I copied (in its entirety) yesterday from tmf. sample:
Quote:
My usual practice has been to refer to the factors focused on in the conventional methodology SWR studies as "volatility" and to refer to the factor not given adequate consideration as "valuation." I have never been happy with these terms. I have been tempted at times to use the terms used by William Bernstein in Chapter Two of ?The Four Pillars of Investing?; he uses "risk" for the factors focused on in the conventional methodology studies, and "return" for the factor that I have been stressing.


here is a link for those who have tmf access
http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=20622477

My reason for posting it (and I think jwr's reson for asking ES to have it removed) is that it was posted using the same account as this:
Quote:
The really funny thing was that there was this fellow SalaryGuru who tore all of the hoco-logic into tiny little bits. And hocus didn't have the excuse of claiming that there was disruption or deception or ridicule or personal attack on the thread. Dory36 made it clear early on that he wasn't going to stand for any of that stuff when he deleted one post that clearly went over the line. So even hocus had no choice in the end but to walk away like a dog with a tail between his legs. I got another good laugh out of that one!


http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=20617175

clearly hocus/rob bennett isn't dumb. why he derives enjoyment from being a troll and trying to get people to acknowledge his "insights" is a mystery to me. Apparently he is amused by trying to lead people into some strange swr ideas and then arguing with them. The bigger mystery to me is jwr1945 who seems like a sincere person who really means what he says- until it comes to swr and rob bennett. I am not sure if he is a co-troll or just duped.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi petey, I can't make out what point hocus might be trying to make in the post but I am convinced it is him

interesting that in the other post he says
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Anyway, it turns out that I actually learned something from reading the thread. I learned that hocus is just as much of a math-challenged *%$&# as I always presumed he was from listening to what everyone here says about him! He says on the thread that he doesn't have Excel installed on his computer. And yet he presumes to tell us that he knows the "true" SWR. What a hoot!
edited for nfb community standards no name calling even if you are both the transgressor and victim



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: The post jwr1945 doesn't want you to see Reply with quote

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The really funny thing was that there was this fellow SalaryGuru who tore all of the hoco-logic into tiny little bits. And hocus didn't have the excuse of claiming that there was disruption or deception or ridicule or personal attack on the thread. Dory36 made it clear early on that he wasn't going to stand for any of that stuff when he deleted one post that clearly went over the line. So even hocus had no choice in the end but to walk away like a dog with a tail between his legs. I got another good laugh out of that one!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we can hope but experience suggests otherwise



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